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It's time that the use of stopwatches is reviewed. They should be banned now as there are already rules in place. Consider the following, excerpted from the CCA rules of Curling for General Play:

I will play the game with a spirit of good sportsmanship
..pine tar, corked bats, hockey sticks either too long or with exceptional curves, and stopwatches, all examples of poor sportsmanship.

. ..interpret the rules in an impartial manner, always keeping in mind that the purpose of the rules is to ensure that the game is played in an orderly and fair manner.
If one team is using stopwatches and the other is not, this would be an obvious example of an unfairness.

Section 14-2 Measuring: No physical device to aid visual observation shall be used in measuring prior to the last stone delivered in the end coming to rest except as provided for in Rule 12(7) and 14(4) .
This last rule is key. A stopwatch is a physical device, is aiding visual observation and is used to measure(time, velocity and acceleration) The rule is already being violated. It's just that nobody has yet enforced the rule.

Finally, it's only a matter of time that technology overtakes the rulebook, making a mockery of fair play. Here's an example:

CCA rocks have an "Eye on the Hog" electronic sensor built into each rock. There is also a magnetic strip embedded into the hog line. It would be fairly easy for someone to create a device(or even an app) that senses the point that the rock crosses the line, measure the velocity, then update the sweeper with the exact point where the rock will come to rest, giving updates every half a second or so(Patent Pending, watch for me on Dragon's Den:-). Does anyone else see where this is leading to?

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You're completely mis-citing the rule. That rule is about measuring the position of a stationary stone.

Those sensor handles are a giant pain. I have played enough games with them to really not like them. I doubt the magnetic strip in the ice (which is actually a few inches past the hog line) could be a reliable data collection method.

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Perhaps that chapter needs a clarification whether it refers to stationary stones or not. In any case, whether the intent of the rule was for stationary stones or not, the spirit of the rule is that a team or player cannot use a physical device as an aid, and therefore an advantage over their opponent.

Here's a portable device that can calculate acceleration with an accuracy of .1 mS:

http://www.pasco.com/family/smart-timer/index.cfm

Unlike split times on a stopwatch, it goes the extra step and will basically calculate where the rock is going to stop.
This is the potential future of our game. Does anyone still think this falls within the spirit of good sportsmanship and fairness?

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Originally posted by johnnysmoke
Perhaps that chapter needs a clarification whether it refers to stationary stones or not. In any case, whether the intent of the rule was for stationary stones or not, the spirit of the rule is that a team or player cannot use a physical device as an aid, and therefore an advantage over their opponent.

Here's a portable device that can calculate acceleration with an accuracy of .1 mS:

http://www.pasco.com/family/smart-timer/index.cfm

Unlike split times on a stopwatch, it goes the extra step and will basically calculate where the rock is going to stop.
This is the potential future of our game. Does anyone still think this falls within the spirit of good sportsmanship and fairness?

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However, I completely agree with your logic that we're all using an electronic device to aid our skill in the game. Golfers (in the PGA at least) certainly aren't allowed to use a range finder.

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However, I completely agree with your logic that we're all using an electronic device to aid our skill in the game. Golfers (in the PGA at least) certainly aren't allowed to use a range finder.

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