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On The Nose
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quote: Originally posted by Prawnpuller
Few observations.
I highly doubt you will see Edins spectacular spin shot a regular occurrence at this caliber of play.It has been and always will be (1) a desperation shot or (2) a trick let’s shake hands shot. It is very impressive to see perhaps the best player in the world pull it off though.
No - it won't be a regular occurrence in games - largely because it requires a special circumstance to try it (like today's situation).
But I think we'll see it more in the future than we have in the past. Because it was successful today, it showed some teams who didn't know the shot existed that it does exist... and it showed the teams who knew it existed, but who didn't think it could be thrown successfully that it can indeed be successful.
When you show that something radical can be successful, you set a precedent that others will try. The fact that this was done on one of curling's biggest stages helps, of course.
As I said, I think it will become like 'The Michigan' in hockey - a radical thing that we won't see regularly, but will see more often than before.
Nobody thought that 'The Michigan' was possible before it was done successfully. Most people didn't even know that it was an option. Now they do.
Same with the extreme spinner curling shot.
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That stone rotated 57 turns across the sheet!
(Give or take one, it wasn’t visible on screen entire time.)
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quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
As I said, I think it will become like 'The Michigan' in hockey - a radical thing that we won't see regularly, but will see more often than before.
Nobody thought that 'The Michigan' was possible before it was done successfully. Most people didn't even know that it was an option. Now they do.
Same with the extreme spinner curling shot.
Plenty of people knew 'The Michigan' was possible because it had been done before quite often. It used to be called the 'Lacross' shot.
While the shot that Edin threw was mighty impressive, I'm amazed that they knew how much ice to take and where to put the broom and how to sweep it. Edin's getting all the glory but that was a team shot.
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quote: Originally posted by Loony
Plenty of people knew 'The Michigan' was possible because it had been done before quite often. It used to be called the 'Lacross' shot.
^ No.
In fact, only one person did it before Mike Legg of Michigan did it. Bill Armstrong originated the move a few years before Legg did it in 1996. Legg learned it from Armstrong in practice.
The reason it's known as 'The Michigan' is because Armstrong was a career minor leaguer, and the 4 times he did it didn't get much publicity. But when Legg did it for Michigan, it was a nationally televised game.
So, no, it was not a well known move that had been done quite often.
It's all here...
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/...ichigan-3473057
quote: Originally posted by Loony
While the shot that Edin threw was mighty impressive, I'm amazed that they knew how much ice to take and where to put the broom and how to sweep it. Edin's getting all the glory but that was a team shot.
^ Sweeping had little to no effect on that shot. Edin is getting the credit for it because he was 95% responsible for it.
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I'm a little surprised Japan quit down 3 with 2 to go. Yes it was an unfavorable situation but 8 say go all put for a steal in 9 and if you don't get it then quit. I've seen teams play on diwn 3 without in 10 so I'm surprised here. You never know. A bad 9th for norway and it could have been a lot more interesting in 10
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Turkey just recorded their first ever win at the world men's. Congrats to them
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myhouse911
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Scotland should at worst be 7-5, and has already played Japan/US/Italy, beating all of them. They're in for sure unless they can't manage to beat 2 of these between Czech, Korea and NZ - Canada game could be a wash.
Italy still has Sweden and Japan left. I'm thinking the Japan/Italy game could decide the 6th spot..
As I thought, the Japan/Italy game is going to decide the 6th spot.
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quote: Originally posted by myhouse911
not the first spinner i have seen, but was wild for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbcli...eature=youtu.be
EDIT: Oops, the wrong quote came up. I meant to quote Misty1's post at 2:47 PM yesterday listing a number of other shots..
How many of those shots did all the announcers say "that shot is impossible? I suspect none.
OTOH I think it was just a lucky shot because Edin would have no way of knowing what ice to take and what speed to throw it, or the amount of rotations he needed. He guessed and it probably wasn't a very educated guess. The fact that the gear effect moved Norway's rock up and away from Sweden's rock when the thrown rock was moving in the other direction was amazing!
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myhouse911
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quote: Originally posted by drg
How many of those shots did all the announcers say "that shot is impossible? I suspect none.
OTOH I think it was just a lucky shot because Edin would have no way of knowing what ice to take and what speed to throw it, or the amount of rotations he needed. He guessed and it probably wasn't a very educated guess. The fact that the gear effect moved Norway's rock up and away from Sweden's rock when the thrown rock was moving in the other direction was amazing!
I mean, they practice this type of shot, so I don't know how confident I would be in saying it was not a very educated guess, but ok.
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quote: Originally posted by myhouse911
I mean, they practice this type of shot, so I don't know how confident I would be in saying it was not a very educated guess, but ok.
A quote from a TSN article.
https://www.tsn.ca/curling/niklas-e...iEr9JQXHF1EMsYE
"Edin added it was a situation that you might encounter once or twice in your career."
"I tried it a few times for fun but I never practised it to actually have to do it," he said. "With newly papered rocks, it's one in a thousand maybe." _
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quote: Originally posted by drg
A quote from a TSN article.
https://www.tsn.ca/curling/niklas-e...iEr9JQXHF1EMsYE
"Edin added it was a situation that you might encounter once or twice in your career."
"I tried it a few times for fun but I never practised it to actually have to do it," he said. "With newly papered rocks, it's one in a thousand maybe." _
So he's tried it a few times for fun but never practiced it to actually do it.. It sounds oxymoronic. They have played spinners before, Oskar did it in the fall in a game. I'll stand by my post that they have some knowledge of the ice to take and weight to throw. His team posted on twitter "Practice and have fun doing it." so..
Oskar's shot, that he almost made. https://twitter.com/C_hodgy/status/1589771038073958401
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quote: Originally posted by myhouse911
When are they going to let someone new win the Brier?! Or do these other teams have to pass some sort of test or get past a waiting period?
It's good to see curlingclips has another person here that doesn't have a clue about reality.
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myhouse911
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
It's good to see curlingclips has another person here that doesn't have a clue about reality.
Did you see who i replied to?.. this was sarcasm.
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Mouat with an absolutely brilliant draw for 2 in the 9th. Well done
Scotland heating up at the right time
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quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
In fact, only one person did it before Mike Legg of Michigan did it. Bill Armstrong originated the move a few years before Legg did it in 1996. Legg learned it from Armstrong in practice.
The reason it's known as 'The Michigan' is because Armstrong was a career minor leaguer, and the 4 times he did it didn't get much publicity. But when Legg did it for Michigan, it was a nationally televised game.
So, no, it was not a well known move that had been done quite often.
It's not worth arguing about but be assured, the lacrosse shot was used many times before Legg did it. Just like the 'spinner' was used successfully before Edin in a number of curling matches, particularly by Finland's Tomi Rantamäki. He has it on video. This article describes it well.
https://www.si.com/curling/news/cra...shot-in-history
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Spinner
There is a player in Finland (Rantamaki?) who has played consistently with the spinner for some years, perhaps more than 10. He was not very successful but must have had some influence, at least with Edin.
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Folks, there is so much potential for ranking movement today. I hope the place is filled today to see some much anticipated curling (imo). We have a big game of Italy/Japan to kick us off in the morning draw. If Italy wins they're in and Japan is out. If Japan wins, then they need to beat GER in the evening draw to advance - I feel like some teams should/will be rooting for this outcome. We follow this draw up with SUI/SWE in the afternoon, with the winner being guaranteed 1st place**. Really looking forward to watching this on recast. The evening gives us a battle between the last two gold medal winning teams (replacing Brett with E.J, of course.)
I've ran all or at least a lot of scenarios, but realized how lengthy it was getting :S.
So with that said, the only thing guaranteed right now out of the playoff bound teams is that Switzerland will get a bye to the SF's. The sort of funny thing to me is if Sweden goes 1-1 today and finishes at 10-2, the difference could be if their win is vs SUI, they're in first place** (assuming they're still the best DSC of the bunched up potentials.) If their win is against Canada, they could be anywhere from 2nd or 4th depending on the hammer/DSC tiebreaking rules **(I'm confused which it is, I can't seem to find the hammer tiebreaker method that I think I saw someone post earlier this week).** If Sweden loses both today, they finish 5th (assuming Scotland/Norway win both today, and Canada wins this morning.) As a Canadian I am certainly looking forward to the SWE/CAN game, however, the SUI/SWE game has way more on the line.
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CurlingWatcher1, I spoke to the Oligarchs this morning. They say they are not bothering with the Men's curling at all. They said they are too busy making sure a LIV Tour player wins the Masters this year.
BTW they did say for you to expect more malware being loaded on your devices. They said you are getting too close to the truth about their plan for world domination and controlling Canadian Brier results.
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That was a brutal performance this morning by Canada. Only Brad had a better shooting percent over his counterpart. If they play like that tonight it will be over in 6.
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quote: Originally posted by decade
That was a brutal performance this morning by Canada. Only Brad had a better shooting percent over his counterpart. If they play like that tonight it will be over in 6.
Not a sharp game but whoever was scoring the Canadians was insane.
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SUI storm back and take down SWE. Big miss in the 9th by Edin set up the Suisse for a big 3 and the 6-5 lead instead of likely being down 5-4 going to 10.
Then Edin takes his chances on last rock and misses the run back and gives up the steal.
Up next: Canada.
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I think the playoff picture for Canada can be summarized easily: If they win and SCO win then they play Norway in the elimination game (assuming NOR doesn't lose to TUR). Otheriwse it's Scotland or Sweden. So...maybe a good idea to beat Sweden tonight.
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