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CURLER1
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Elite 10

well, so it starts. TV Coverage on Wed. Interesting to see some new team dynamics.

http://www.thegrandslamofcurling.com/curling/elite-10/

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The event starts Wednesday, but according to this schedule, the TV coverage doesn't begin until Thursday.

http://www.thegrandslamofcurling.co...10-tv-schedule/

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Coverage on Sportsnet only seems to be on for Saturday's Semfinals unless my PVR (I use Bell; channel 410) hasn't updated yet. Bummer if so, was hoping to see the Round Robin games.

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Showing up for me now -- had to get the additional channels, just had SN360.

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In the past, there were frequent posts taking issue with Manitoba Legend's posts. Interesting, I see he has not posted on this thread AND NOR has anybody else.

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Man I was rooting hard for Koe there -- so close. Best of luck to him in the QF.

Weird question/observation maybe but does it look like Koe's lost weight/leaned out more or is it just his team's new tour gear? Not that I thought he was a big fella in the first place.

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Jones

Did anyone else see Jones unable to count to 5. 5 rock rule including ticking guards touching the center line. Bring out the officials she demands!!! Oh 5 rocks for the 5 rock rule........

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Did they not explain that the rule was written in an ambiguous manner and would be rewritten to clarify that it was not the fifth rock but after the fifth rock. This was to mean the equivalent of the five rock rule but was not called the five rock rule.

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Re: Jones

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Did anyone else see Jones unable to count to 5. 5 rock rule including ticking guards touching the center line. Bring out the officials she demands!!! Oh 5 rocks for the 5 rock rule........

Y

Yes, and good for her. The rule was not written clearly. It has been revised and written as it should be and will help the other teams to understand too.

(I think when they revise a rule - good for her)

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Re: Jones

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Did anyone else see Jones unable to count to 5. 5 rock rule including ticking guards touching the center line. Bring out the officials she demands!!! Oh 5 rocks for the 5 rock rule........


Hopefully, it was just a senior moment.

Can't imagine any Skip, let alone any player for that matter participating in the Elite 10 not fully understanding the five - rock FGZ rule by this time.

Ironically, in February 2018, it was Jones herself who was among the first Canadian curlers to enthusiastically endorse the WCF and CC announcement that this rule would be implemented at the beginning of the 2018 - 2019 season.

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Re: Re: Jones

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Hopefully, it was just a senior moment.

Can't imagine any Skip, let alone any player for that matter participating in the Elite 10 not fully understanding the five - rock FGZ rule by this time.

Ironically, in February 2018, it was Jones herself who was among the first Canadian curlers to enthusiastically endorse the WCF and CC announcement that this rule would be implemented at the beginning of the 2018 - 2019 season.




You do know they rewrote the rule after Jones questioned it? To "after" the 5th rock was thrown. As the announcers said, she is a lawyer and you would bet she read every word of the rules before hand. They also admitted it was written wrong in the first place - but as long has it has to do with Jones - the complaining will take place.

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Also keep in in mind , the reason there were separate rules laid out was because they were not playing the conventional game and there were variations from the regular game.

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Re: Re: Re: Jones

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You do know they rewrote the rule after Jones questioned it? To "after" the 5th rock was thrown. As the announcers said, she is a lawyer and you would bet she read every word of the rules before hand. They also admitted it was written wrong in the first place - but as long has it has to do with Jones - the complaining will take place.



Yes, I am well aware she graduated in 1999 and subsequently articled for several years as a non-practicing lawyer with a Winnipeg - based financial services firm.

But no, I certainly do not recall that Jones ever "questioned" the WCF and CC five-rock FGZ rule. On what date did she did this? At the same time, could you advise what this rule stated before she 'questioned " it, and how it read after it was amended.

Nobody, I'm sure, is "complaining" that she appeared to be confused last week during the Elite 10. Just seems curious, at best, that she, of all curlers, didn't understand the existing rules for that particular event.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jones

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Yes, I am well aware she graduated in 1999 and subsequently articled for several years as a non-practicing lawyer with a Winnipeg - based financial services firm.

But no, I certainly do not recall that Jones ever "questioned" the WCF and CC five-rock FGZ rule. On what date did she did this? At the same time, could you advise what this rule stated before she 'questioned " it, and how it read after it was amended.

Nobody, I'm sure, is "complaining" that she appeared to be confused last week during the Elite 10. Just seems curious, at best, that she, of all curlers, didn't understand the existing rules for that particular event.



to be honest, I cannot remember the exact wording, before they Jones called for a rule confirmation. But after they had their chat, the rule was changed to say 'AFTER' the 5th rock has been thrown.

Maybe you can find a replay on Sportsnet or the Grand Slam site.

And really, not one person on her team, the other team or the commentators questioned her why she asked for clarification. They were all happy with the outcome.

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Deliverer,

This happened during their match against Laura Walker’s team, early in the match...2nd or 3rd end.

The confusion was whether or not the special no-ticks-on-rocks-on-the-center-line rule applied up to rock 5 or after rock 5. The rule as written was apparently ambiguous on this point, and the commentators agreed that it was. They summoned the man whose rule this was (his first name was Pierre) and asked him to clarify. He told them it was supposed to be after rock 5, and as a result. Jones took her offending rock out of play and Walker put hers back where it belonged. The officials then went around and clarified it to all the other teams and they made the written wording more clear.

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Deliverer,

This happened during their match against Laura Walker’s team, early in the match...2nd or 3rd end.

The confusion was whether or not the special no-ticks-on-rocks-on-the-center-line rule applied up to rock 5 or after rock 5. The rule as written was apparently ambiguous on this point, and the commentators agreed that it was. They summoned the man whose rule this was (his first name was Pierre) and asked him to clarify. He told them it was supposed to be after rock 5, and as a result. Jones took her offending rock out of play and Walker put hers back where it belonged. The officials then went around and clarified it to all the other teams and they made the written wording more clear.




thanks - Pierre Charette

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I guess my observation was based on the 5 rock rule as part of the slams a few years now that she would be familiar with it. 5 rocks has always been after 5 rocks. Regardless of the new tick rule. Sounds like a combination of miscommunication and misinterpretation of the rules.

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Apparently this center-line-no-ticks rule was in its own separate portion apart from the usual free guard zone rule, and something about it made it unclear if it was supposed to be like the usual 5-rock zone rule or not.

After they replaced the rocks, Jones told Walker she was sorry, and then Walker agreed aloud that “it is confusing.”

Also, and I’m a little hazy on this part, I believe the offending tick shot was actually a mistake. They’d been trying to curl around the center line guard and wound up ticking it instead when the throw came up light.

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On a Lighter Note

There are only three types of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't !!!

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On a Lighter Note

There are only three types of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't !!!




Must be the NEW math

Good one.

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I miss the McEwen team. Even though they were a great team they always seemed like underdogs.

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