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It's disappointing that you guys see it this way.

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LOL I don't know you, nor have I ever seen that tweet before. It's not like you own any of what you said anyway. Good try.

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It's disappointing that you guys see it this way.

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Agreed, but again that's not the point. I'll drop it and let the thread get back to the point.

Good luck to Team Horgan at the Scotties. I'm expecting a playoff appearance from them.

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Seriously man, these words ^^^ are not that "epic".

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Congrats to Team Horgan! They've been close before and its nice to see them get the opportunity to go to the STOH this time.

I've never been a fan of the Page Playoff system.
Back in the day before televised provincials, there were only playoffs if teams were tied for the lead at the end of the week.
If you ran the table in the round robin, you won, end of story.
That's always seemed to me to be the best scenario from a CURLING point of view. You beat everyone in the round robin, you should win.

Then TV came along and we just had to have a Championship Game, and the Page kind of makes the best of a bad situation from a curling point of view since it ensures that the first place team from the round robin can't be eliminated with one loss until the final. So now we have situation where a team runs the table (9-0), is forced to play a semi, wins that and then loses the final to a team they've beaten twice already, ending the week with the best record (10-1). By comparison, the new champs (9-3) don't even have a winning record against the runners up (1-2).

Ironically, there wasn't much TV coverage to justify this situation, with some playoff cable coverage if you happened to have the right provider and lived in the right part of the province. In my part of the SouthEast we didn't have the ability to watch the playoffs time-delayed or otherwise.

The curlers know the format going in and I'm actually quite delighted that Tracy's team will get their chance to shine, but I'd love to see a provincial championship where the best team OVER THE WEEK was the team that won and represented at Nationals. I wish there was a better way to decide these things and allow for television.

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I am so glad that Homan lost particularly because of the biased commentating from Heather Houston & Lorraine Lang.

Its obvious that they were shocked & didn't really know what to say with Horgan's victory. Horgan deserved it just as much as Homan deserved it if she made her final 2 stones.

Maybe Homan can clean up her mouth, instead of saying the F-word after missing her 1st stone in the 10th, she could of used Homer's word.

Homan is just another mouthy little girl with no class for the game. Horgan is a sweetheart & hopefully she does well.

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With respect to CoachBrewer's comments about the page system. The only solution I would suggest is the team that ended up winning the round robin AND winning the page 1-2 playoff must be beaten twice in order to lose. So, Tracy won the first game, there should have been a second game and if she wins again, then she wins the whole thing. If she loses, then Homan takes it. It just seems wrong that Homan won every single game up to the final whereas other teams lost one or more games yet get out of the province.

If the team that wins the round robin, loses the 1-2 page, then the final is the final.

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Anyone have video of the last end? Love to see it.

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Terrible break for Rachel on the attempted runback double-jamming. But wrong call? I beg to disagree.

The shot went pretty much as bad as it possibly could, and she still had the draw to win.

She's almost 100% facing the exact same draw if she simply peels off the top guard, give or take a foot of extra room. Horgan would play some variation of a guard/tap that would likely leave her drawing down that same, unpredictably straight out-turn path.

Other options include

- hitting Horgan's yellow - which could be replaced by a much better yellow, so not a good call

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- drawing first, which could be tapped back by Horgan and leave Rachel with a complicated last shot.

In my estimation there was no call that provided any further benefit, the only calls which have the least downside are the straight peel or runback.

Given that runbacks are her strength - why would she not attempt the runback? The down-side of the shot was minimal (again, in my estimation she sacrificed one foot of wiggle room on the eventual draw), and she's potentially giving herself a much easier shot to win.

Alas, strategy aside, it likely would not have mattered as realistically they were wide by almost a foot on that draw. Which is a real shame, as she seemed to throw it exactly how she wanted.

The real problem in that end was not having both rocks above the t-line to start. Rachel was always going to have a tough shot to win it unless Horgan misses something.

But let's not all focus on Homan losing.

Horgan received a well earned reward for all of the hard work they did hanging around in the last 5 ends - thats not easy to do, especially mentally.

She admitted she was down and out after five ends but that her team picked her up. They stayed with Homan step for step in an extremely well played final 5 ends, and got the mistake they were playing so hard for.

They are full credit for that, and if they show that resolve at the Scotties they will be in contention at the end of the week.

Good luck team Horgan!

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You said I knew nothing about you. I know you have never curled.
Your statement that teams lose 85% of the time is made up. It's merely your opinion. If you want to use numbers, have the facts to back it up or expect to be questioned.

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Horgan received a well earned reward for all of the hard work they did hanging around in the last 5 ends - thats not easy to do, especially mentally.

She admitted she was down and out after five ends but that her team picked her up. They stayed with Homan step for step in an extremely well played final 5 ends, and got the mistake they were playing so hard for.

They are full credit for that, and if they show that resolve at the Scotties they will be in contention at the end of the week.

Good luck team Horgan!

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I would have loved to have seen Homan's face in that last end - her winning scowl is bad enough but to see it losing a game like that - LOL. But now we're stuck with Horgan representing Ontario in Red Deer - that could get embarrassing fast...

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Handled it quit well until she booted a locker in the women's locker room.
Horgan will fly Ontario colours very well....I would think playoffs, she has been knocking on the door the past few years. Little girl flys low under the radar and she will do the same at nationals. Go team Horgan!

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