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If TSN/SN and other talking heads could refrain fron constantly scrutinizing Team Homan every draw, that'd be nice.

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Obviously Jones disagrees with you. She tends to see the potential in these young junior grads who won world junior titles ( like Lawes ). Their W/L record is quite strong this season for a new line up.

If we just judged players by their first appearance then Suzanne Birt would have been the best curler of this generation.

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From what I can tell there is no scenario where the DSC will eliminate a team from contention in pool A. However, both Quebec and Wild Card 1 could be eliminated (not be eligible for the tiebreaker) with 5-3 records based on H2H.

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I honestly believe that people lump their hatred for DSC as anything where a team is ranked/eliminated without playing tiebreaker games. There's a lot of examples that people cite to demonstrate their hatred for DSC, when technically it was all H2H.

I acknowledge that H2H or DSC probably doesn't matter if you will not accept anything other than a proper tiebreaker game.

Another source of misunderstanding is Canada's preference for cumulative instead of average. An inch behind in Canada is an inch you can make up on the ice with one stone, but an inch behind at Worlds/Olympics is an inch behind on every LSD stones you've thrown so far.

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I stand corrected. With a 4 way tie for second, they play 2 tie breakers as opposed to using h2 h to eliminate one team . A much better solution as it can be accommodated in the schedule.

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A much better solution as it can be accommodated in the schedule.

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So with the rules as written Black would advance, St. Georges and Grandy would play a tiebreaker for 3rd and Lawes would be eliminated. How can the rules be changed during the competition?

It would be like MLB adding a wildcard in August.

Black has a definite beef in this case.

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Black has a definite beef in this case.

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Hey, the Yukon team (that apparently qualified by default due to no other team trying to do so) got a win! I can't imagine that that happens very often.

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Hey, the Yukon team (that apparently qualified by default due to no other team trying to do so) got a win! I can't imagine that that happens very often.

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Yukon actually played well against a few teams this year. Maybe part of it is because those teams subbed in their alternates, but for example Yukon did start the game against Ontario with hammer, scored 3 in the first end, and was ahead by 1 point at half-time.

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I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just providing more insights about Yukon this year.

For example, here's another insight: skip of Team Yukon is an actress, among other things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r_ftg-tS3w

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Hey look, the rules were changed at the dieing hour to try and help a top team. Shocker.

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If TSN/SN and other talking heads could refrain fron constantly scrutinizing Team Homan every draw, that'd be nice.

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Team Alberta really bottled the final end on Thursday night against BC. The two misses from their third followed by a panic attack and an overswept final stone of the end virtually handed the win to BC despite having a major positional advantage early in the 10th end. Even the Alberta skip was in disbelief saying after the shot, "I actually made it." Pressure makes for compelling viewing.

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The 10th end of the NS vs. WC tiebreaker was excellent. Both Lawes and Black rose to the occasion with excellent shots under pressure. It's abnormal to be able to do that.

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Re: tiebreakers. Does the rule say there will be only 1 GAME for 3rd place or does it say there will only be 1 DRAW for tiebreakers? There is a difference. I think the 4 way tiebreaker is the best option but if the rules going in preclude it, you can't change on the fly.
I recall back in the 90s there was a 3 (maybe even 4) way tie for first place after the round robin at the Brier with Vic Peters and Russ H as 2 of the teams. The rules back then stated that H2H records would be used to break ties and Vic had best H2H but the others said no, and after lobbying/debate he was not given first. One would think that CC would have explicit rules laid out for every possible scenario since then but after all it's CC.

Great finish in the Lawes/Black tiebreaker, just clutch skipping all around.

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Re: tiebreakers. Does the rule say there will be only 1 GAME for 3rd place or does it say there will only be 1 DRAW for tiebreakers?

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Team Homan played a poor extra end against NS and Homan couldn't bail them all out with a final double attempt. It looked like Homan had the advantage all game and still found a way to lose. In fairness, those two skip shots by Black in the 10th end were impressive.

But that extra end -- you could see the lack of clear Team Homan leadership with the indecision over which double peel to attempt on one of Emma's stones. Tracy wanted one shot, Emma wanted another, Rachel was siding with Emma, Tracy gave in, and then Emma relented and went back to Tracy's initial suggestion. Then on Rachel's first shot, Coach Fry wanted the peel, Rachel was strongly considering drawing the button, the rest of the team was equivocating, and then Rachel relented to throw the peel. That said, I still expect them to storm back next year and push Einarson (or whoever else wins this thing).

As impressed as I've been with Black's shooting, I am even more impressed by Nova Scotia's front end judgement. Baxter was getting them all right today.

I really like the drama of the elimination games. I just wish TSN could think outside the box and stagger the start times so we aren't left in the dark about one of them.

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I predict Einarson will win 4th consecutive Scotties, but she'd be put through the wringer to do so. There'll be steals, big ends, dramatic misses, unnecessarily close games, maybe even a surprising loss or two.

I also predict one shining Coach Carruthers moment. Like maybe none of the players saw a shot for the win, but they called a timeout and Coach Carruthers came through with a shot that they'll then make.

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Re: tiebreakers. Does the rule say there will be only 1 GAME for 3rd place or does it say there will only be 1 DRAW for tiebreakers? There is a difference. I think the 4 way tiebreaker is the best option but if the rules going in preclude it, you can't change on the fly.

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Jones/McCarville 1/2
Einarson/Black?! 3/4

Jones - there’s something really admirable about how a later 40s person still loves to and competes at the highest level.

McCarville - this is a really good Scotties team. There is a benefit to having consistency in the entire team unit year after year.

Black - not a true contender but what they did today is something to be immensely proud of. 32 ends of competitive curling.

Einarson - fell asleep in end 2 and lost their first game of the week. They’ve gone through the 3/4 before and would fully expect they get at least into the semi.

Homan - 6 years ago you could have easily convinced many that she’d go down as the best Canadian woman ever. Now she regularly doesn’t perform in the biggest events.

Lawes - great third, not a top level skip. This will become more evident year over year if people aren’t convinced yet.

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The timeout in page 3v4 game, 8th end, counts as a minor Coach Carruthers heroic moment in my opinion. Russ Howard made additional comment on the value of having these high quality coaches (Niklas Edin being the obvious big dog), so I think he agreed with me.

I still think there'll be another heroic moment still for Coach Carruthers.

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Yesterday (Friday) was a wonderful day of curling. Great games all over the place.
As someone else mentioned, though, it's unfortunate that one great game is always hidden from us (TV viewers), and all we get to see is the last shot of each end.
I'm not sure that constantly going back & forth between two (or more) games is the solution, though, as it prevents the viewer from really getting into and understanding any of the games. The best solution would indeed be staggered starting times.

It's too bad that Quebec didn't take advantage of their two opportunities to make the playoffs, losing both games. They're a fun team to watch.

Nova Scotia has been very impressive. I'm pulling for them all the way against the 3 much more well known teams.
Today is a struggle for them vs. Einarson, though. The 4 cylinder team has only one functioning cylinder today - Skip Black. The other three are missing easy shots - often far too light. It's like a team of 4 vs. a team of 1 today.

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Way to go Jen and your team of youngsters. I was impressed with how well they all held themselves together after that fluky start. What a fairy tale trip this will be for all of them if they can pull off a win tomorrow although I'm sure Einarson will give them a battle.

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