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Sorry, you will have to be more specific, that does not narrow it down.

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Sure its unclassy and its just plain dumb. When a pro team cuts a player they release them and buy them out. They also release a statement to that effect. They don't detail how much, just that it was done.

As for if its anyone's business. If curling wants to be in the big time then its the fans who pay for that. So the fan has a certain right to know whats going on. Plus its not about the income, its about putting the right PR spin on the issue. And lets face it, on this Jones gets a D minus.

Pretty stupid move for a corporate lawyer to make.

If these competitive teams are going to continue to make these moves they better wise up. Fans and media want explanations. Not providing them only makes people think the worst. The animosity against Jones has nothing to do with cutting Overton. It's her silence on the matter that causes it. It makes her-and her teammates-look arrogant, cold and classless.

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Would an arrogant, classless, cold, selfish person spend their time promoting their sport and raising money for charities...

like this...
http://www.thecurlingnews.com/blog/68083-for-sick-kids/

and this...
http://www.nyghhumanrace.com/teamstandings.shtml

and this...
http://www.wellwestcurl.com/

Having an opinion is one thing. Calling someone such disparaging things when you don't even know them or the situation, is quite another.

Now it's way past time to move on.

To all the wonderful curlers: thank you for another exciting year, enjoy your curling break & see you next season!

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If he starts talking about rum, sodomy and the lash RUN!!

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Would an arrogant, classless, cold, selfish person spend their time promoting their sport and raising money for charities...

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So in just 4 pages we've equated a fairly harmless Canadian curler with Bernie Madoff. Place your bets here on how many pages it'll take for Godwin's Law to come into effect...

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To all the Jones Bashers- Bashers.

Jennifer Jones had a fabulous Season this year and has a great new third that she wanted and got to make her run to Sochi 2014.

What will not change is people's opinions of what happened with Cathy OC. Even the worst employees get some sort of "notice" that they are going to be terminated.

This was Team Canada... so people all across Canada feel like "their " Team was broken up...not just any old Curling Team.

What will never put a positive spin on this edgey story is Jennifer fans who bash everything and everyone who express a negative opinion. You are only making it worse.

It was this trashing for a few seasons now every Scotties and the Olympics..where Jones opponents like Mallett, Cathy OC, O'Rourke, Bernard.. etc.. were put down and basically "bashed" the way you accuse others of bashing Jones.

That nastiness has fueled the fire against Jones beyond what it might have been had there been some respect shown for these mentioned Teams.

It's really time to let the 2010 season "go" now.. this event did happen at the end of the 2009/10 season.

The more people bring up this subject and particularlty putting others into a defensive mode.. the more it will just drag on.

You cannot change what people believe.. and probably this will never change.
The deep damage has been done and Jones will have this follow her now probably until she retires.

For me, I look forward to next season and believe the Teams will just Curl on and put this behind them..
maybe everyone else should as well..


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So in just 4 pages we've equated a fairly harmless Canadian curler with Bernie Madoff. Place your bets here on how many pages it'll take for Godwin's Law to come into effect ...

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If curling wants to be in the big time then its the fans who pay for that. So the fan has a certain right to know whats going on. Plus its not about the income, its about putting the right PR spin on the issue. And lets face it, on this Jones gets a D minus.

The fans have no right to personal info. The players play, we watch. That's it. TeamJJ still has major sponsorship so I'd personally give her an A.

If these competitive teams are going to continue to make these moves they better wise up. Fans and media want explanations. Not providing them only makes people think the worst. The animosity against Jones has nothing to do with cutting Overton. It's her silence on the matter that causes it. It makes her-and her teammates-look arrogant, cold and classless.

Better wise up? LOL. OH NO a couple dozen people may not be happy that were making changes to OUR team. I'm sure the Curlers are going to lose sleep over this.

Mr/Mrs unregisterd, I know you think you're owed something and you feel that you're very important but TeamJJ business is none of yours.

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Canadian curling Fans Pay????

Heck, curlers and Curlng fans are the cheapest sports people I've ever met!

Curling is one of the cheapest sports one can play and they complain about the cost.

Curling events are about the cheapest tickets for a sporting event of comparable level....and they complain.

Bar prices at most curling clubs a dead low....and they complain.

Game comes from Scotland.....that makes sense now!

Why any team breaks up is no ones business. If/when the real reason for the break up comes out...I wonder how many of the nay sayers and vicious attackers will submit appologies?

There are just too many nosy people with little in their own lives so they need to know everybody else’s business in hopes of finding some dirt to make their existence look better. They have no trouble developing some fictionally opinion base on their own uniformed personal bias and their reading of body language which of course they have no training to do in the first place.

It’s easier to go this route than actually think and develop an opinion based of facts which may require having no opinion until the facts come out.

I have no problem with different opinions if they are based on fact…....not assumption and rumours.

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Sure its unclassy and its just plain dumb. When a pro team cuts a player they release them and buy them out. They also release a statement to that effect. They don't detail how much, just that it was done.

As for if its anyone's business. If curling wants to be in the big time then its the fans who pay for that. So the fan has a certain right to know whats going on. Plus its not about the income, its about putting the right PR spin on the issue. And lets face it, on this Jones gets a D minus.

Pretty stupid move for a corporate lawyer to make.

If these competitive teams are going to continue to make these moves they better wise up. Fans and media want explanations. Not providing them only makes people think the worst. The animosity against Jones has nothing to do with cutting Overton. It's her silence on the matter that causes it. It makes her-and her teammates-look arrogant, cold and classless.

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You know, I too have kind of had my fill of this topic and am looking forward to other things for a few months, and time to 'give curling a rest!' That said, after reading reams of postings re:JJ and what really happened almost a year ago, I really believe you have FINALLY stated the argument in a way I can totally agree with!! Now that that's done, on with the Spring/Summer!

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I never ever talk about rum and sodomy together.
But when I pull out my scimitar from my scabbard, then you should run.

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Canadian curling Fans Pay????

Heck, curlers and Curlng fans are the cheapest sports people I've ever met!

Curling is one of the cheapest sports one can play and they complain about the cost.

Curling events are about the cheapest tickets for a sporting event of comparable level....and they complain.

Bar prices at most curling clubs a dead low....and they complain.

Game comes from Scotland.....that makes sense now!

Why any team breaks up is no ones business. If/when the real reason for the break up comes out...I wonder how many of the nay sayers and vicious attackers will submit appologies?

There are just too many nosy people with little in their own lives so they need to know everybody else’s business in hopes of finding some dirt to make their existence look better. They have no trouble developing some fictionally opinion base on their own uniformed personal bias and their reading of body language which of course they have no training to do in the first place.

It’s easier to go this route than actually think and develop an opinion based of facts which may require having no opinion until the facts come out.

I have no problem with different opinions if they are based on fact…....not assumption and rumours.

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LMAO. Quick someone give Lolar a hug he's off on his, everybody else is stupid rant again

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(Just noticed a grammar error in my previous post..."I strongly disagree...")

No it's not democracy on a curling team. Each player earns their OWN right to qualify for events and cash.

Buh-bye has to wait until those rights are exhausted...anyway this is getting repetitive.

One more thing - nobody hates JJ because she is "too good"...does anyone remember anyone ever hating Schmirler's team? They were the best Canada has ever produced and Schmirler left us wanting more. I want our teams to win everything, I am waiting for a team like Schmirler that is consistent and reliable and sportsmanlike. We're not there yet, but I haven't given up on Amber. She has fire.

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good post Duct Tape.

You touch on what is at the heart of the matter here. Not that a team can't make a change-all teams do in sports and for all reasons.

What's different from all those changes teams make is the money and the earned opportunities that were denied Overton. It's why professional athletes have contracts, to ensure that they get compensated should an owner decide that they want to get rid of that player.

Another poster made the allegory to a business partnership. It was correct, you cannot oust a partner without paying them.

A curling team is an unique mix of a sports team-without multiple substitution-and a business partnership, as teammates equally share the costs and the proceeds of their efforts.

Jones isn't the only culprit making changes and denying players earned opportunities. (Keith Ryan from the Gushue team is an excellent example) However, her move with Overton was extremely high-profile and, IMO, very poorly handled by her an her teammates from a PR view. Probably the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back, so to speak.

The only real disapointment is the CCA's continued stance to ignore this growing issue. Here as well the WCT has to share blame. Both these organizations have to come up with a plan to see that both sides-the remaining team and the player in question-are protected.

Otherwise this sort of thing is going to happen again and worse.

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The above rant is just speculation.
How do you know that COC wasn't paid any monies?
How do you know that COC did not care about money and was just pissed off she would not be curling for one of the best women's skips/teams in the country?
Why do you think teams would welcome more involvement by the CCA into their own affairs?
It's no one's business. Not even the CCA's!

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"Because of the sensitivity of the negotiations, we will not be discussing terms in public, or in the media. Thank you."

Two sentences that every lawyer in the world knows. And I am sure that if they had been uttered by either side then most people complaining in this thread would be satisfied. They weren't. So the speculation will continue.

Dino again. Need to drug test tomorrow, so I have been drinking lots of water to flush out the residue. From 1982!

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The above rant is just speculation.
How do you know that COC wasn't paid any monies?
How do you know that COC did not care about money and was just pissed off she would not be curling for one of the best women's skips/teams in the country?
Why do you think teams would welcome more involvement by the CCA into their own affairs?
It's no one's business. Not even the CCA's!

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The only real disapointment is the CCA's continued stance to ignore this growing issue. Here as well the WCT has to share blame. Both these organizations have to come up with a plan to see that both sides-the remaining team and the player in question-are protected.

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Dude if you sign up for a CCA event then you have to follow the CCA rules.

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This is not a WCT issue. It is a team issue between the four individuals involved. Teams are allowed to handle it however they chose and any influence by the organizations would not be beneficial. Rules are clear that you need three of four to continue in events, and if that's not maintained they don't play. If damages are applicable, then monetary compensation can be discussed through other avenues.

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The above rant is just speculation.
How do you know that COC wasn't paid any monies?
How do you know that COC did not care about money and was just pissed off she would not be curling for one of the best women's skips/teams in the country?
Why do you think teams would welcome more involvement by the CCA into their own affairs?
It's no one's business. Not even the CCA's!

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LOL-yeah that's some logic you employ.

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