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Why did Scotland high five after that loss???
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Amy Nixon is shooting well since coming in.
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Amy Nixon is shooting well since coming in.
who left the lineup?
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Jessica Mair, hopefully she gets better soon.
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This curling is such a joke! My head hurts from watching all this unfold. Pathetic and horrible are the only words that come to mind! Unreal!
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This is worse than Swift Current
7 to 5 again, tied for last with the US...
I did not see this coming whatsoever...
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After the first five draws, allow me some observations:
1. Miri Ott is a good skip, her team looks technically solid and The Carmens have come to this event loaded for bear. Look for Lady Miri to be around at the end (Final 4)
2. Americans also look good on ice but miss far too many 'key' shots. They won't be around at the end.
3. Team Canada doesn't appear to have the inner confidence and calm we've been spoiled by from teams like Coco Jones, Jennifer Jones, Sandra Schmirler, even Kelly Scott. Nedohin is a mexican jumping bean out there. Iskiw is fairly cool, some of the precision the Albertans had at the Scotties appears to be dormant.
4. Robillard suffered her first loss. Looked like Lehman had a makeable tap back to win vs. the dreaded russians but she muffed it, allowing the Russkies to steal the night.
5. Could go either way on China - haven't decided whether they are Top 4 quality or Middle 4 quality - they are DEFINITELY NOT BOTTOM 4.
6. Russ appears puzzled by some of the ladies strategy. He's having difficulty getting into the minds of some of the euro-curlers with his explanations. Still interesting.
China is clearly bottom 4 quality. Worst prepared team at the event, the coach didn't earn his money.
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7 to 5 again, tied for last with the US...
I did not see this coming whatsoever...
Surprised, really? They have no 3rd, Wang is skipping nonsense, and there are no longer push-over teams like Norway or Japan in the field. How can they expect to win more than a few fluke games based on their level of play this season?
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Most annoying thing about the event is the obvious overscoring of shots. Its getting absurd. We'd better appreciate the REAL 90% games if the 70% games were scored that way.
On a brighter note, Denmark has kind of slipped under the radar pre-event. Those wishing to cheer on a Cinderella team to win it all their it.
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Surprised, really? They have no 3rd, Wang is skipping nonsense, and there are no longer push-over teams like Norway or Japan in the field. How can they expect to win more than a few fluke games based on their level of play this season?
I don't blame Wang, when she throws she not only has to throw well, she often has to call line and occasionally call weight as well. By necessity, the rest of the team rarely knows where the rocks are headed. How many times does she have to stick her arm out to tell the third the rock is wide of target and please stop calling sweeping ?
Its a train wreck and the coaching has to shoulder a good part of the blame. The fact that this is a pro team with ( I'm guessing ) a paid coach makes these kind of problems inexcusable.
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Most annoying thing about the event is the obvious overscoring of shots. Its getting absurd. We'd better appreciate the REAL 90% games if the 70% games were scored that way.
On a brighter note, Denmark has kind of slipped under the radar pre-event. Those wishing to cheer on a Cinderella team to win it all their it.
Denmark is hardly a cinderella story, they're a good team, just need that little something to make them better, especially when it comes to the playoffs. Wouldn't be surprised if they qualified again this year.
I think Korea is the cinderella story, or closest to it? They kind of remind me of China back in 2008.
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ML, based in your opinion, then I like mexico's chances of winning it all! Oh, I forgot though... You already crowned Scotland!
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I don't blame Wang, when she throws she not only has to throw well, she often has to call line and occasionally call weight as well. By necessity, the rest of the team rarely knows where the rocks are headed. How many times does she have to stick her arm out to tell the third the rock is wide of target and please stop calling sweeping ?
I don't blame her too much for being wrong more often than not on the line-calls for her own stones. That is exusable if you are used to have a good vice in the house. I blame her for making the wrong calls in the first place too often. For example, I didn't understand what they tried in the last end against Russia with Wang's first. Yes, Sidorova missed her first, but that definitely wasn't Wang's achievement.
My point is not that Wang is a useless skip now suddenly in this tournament. She had the same kind of troubles basically ever since Liu Yin left and the only glimpse of hope was the Continental Cup, where they somehow managed to get away with it.
Wang is not Andrea Schoepp or Amber Holland who thrive with all the pressure on them and only them. I always felt that she needs a co-skip to rely on and she plays and skips best when she has that kind of moral and tactical backup.
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The chinese - under the tutelage of a coaching non-entity from Manitoba named Lorne Hamblin don't seem to be following any particular model, other than a losing model. They're not rotating players in and out of the lineup like the Russians do. Arguable, their best player "SUSAN", sits in curling purgatory, waiting for opportunity. Even the Canadian team which normally reserves in-game player insertions just to qualify all players for trophies inserted fifth player Amy Nixon at second when Jessica Mair felt she could no longer continue. (And Nixon immediately went hero for her squad and almost pulled them thru - FROM THE SECOND POSITION, CURLING NEAR PERFECTION for her six ends)
Amy DID NOT play 6 ends. Try to get your posts correct.
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Gee , how have the men managed to win briers, world championships and olympic medals without a stop watch. Is there any men's team in the top ten ranking that still uses a stop watch.
Actually most of the men's front ends have stop watch..they just don't yell the times...they yell the finish position....never seen the long time used to this extent before though.
Anyone who doesn't use every aid they can get is just letting their ego override common sense. It's like moving the broom 1/2 inch.....no one hits a broom that accurately...and I can prove it with a laser sight!
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The chinese - under the tutelage of a coaching non-entity from Manitoba named Lorne Hamblin don't seem to be following any particular model, other than a losing model. They're not rotating players in and out of the lineup like the Russians do. Arguable, their best player "SUSAN", sits in curling purgatory, waiting for opportunity. Even the Canadian team which normally reserves in-game player insertions just to qualify all players for trophies inserted fifth player Amy Nixon at second when Jessica Mair felt she could no longer continue. (And Nixon immediately went hero for her squad and almost pulled them thru - FROM THE SECOND POSITION, CURLING NEAR PERFECTION for her six ends)
I might not love line up switching but I think it is time to bring in Quingshang Yue. Aside from Betty she is the best player on that team, I have always thought that way.
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Actually most of the men's front ends have stop watch..they just don't yell the times...they yell the finish position....never seen the long time used to this extent before though.
Anyone who doesn't use every aid they can get is just letting their ego override common sense. It's like moving the broom 1/2 inch.....no one hits a broom that accurately...and I can prove it with a laser sight!
Larry.... None of the men's teams use a stop watch.
We had Kevin Martin's squad at our club for a meet and greet back in the fall, the stopwatch question came up. Marc Kennedy said that they own stopwatches, but they rarely use them. They are there for when they're playing on poor quality club ice, where there's a major difference in draw speed from one path to another.
Any other Men's team that plays at a high level usually follows this method as well.
If you doubt this... look at any photo of any high level men's team at any major event, and tell me if you see a stopwatch on any of them.
Stopwatches can be a useful tool if used properly, however they can be incredibly misleading as well. If you're playing on good quality ice, you're better off without them.
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Actually most of the men's front ends have stop watch..they just don't yell the times...they yell the finish position....never seen the long time used to this extent before though.
The good men's front ends have watches to time opposition rocks but that is about all. They don't rely on it to any extent to determine final position estimate. Watch Kennedy & Hebert as an example. They yell the finish position at release point without timing. It is all eyes as their basis for judging. IMHO curlers relying on timing as the sole basis for judging are not going to be as accurate or consistent.
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Have they mentioned why Jessica isnt playing this morning?
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I might not love line up switching but I think it is time to bring in Quingshang Yue. Aside from Betty she is the best player on that team, I have always thought that way.
I actually disagree. She is a capable 2nd when she gets her act together, but not much more. She is no vice-skip, her throwing is too inconsistent.
Well, they rotated her in into 2nd position, benching Liu Jinli, the most consistent player so far. Interesting ...
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It hurt watching the games last night… well actually working them when your teams are taking it on the chin. There were some fantastic shots made and some of the best all week… but also a few not so great.
Heather started out a little too cocky and thought it was going to be a walk in the park… but quickly found out that the Danes were there to play. Now that is a very solid young team and they executed real good in the early part of the game. CDN seemed to pick it up when Amy came in and the crowd responded. Give credit to Amy as she made a couple of great shots for someone who hasn’t played… the come around draw in 10 was the one that set up the 2 for a tie. DEN might not make the playoffs but they are a definite threat, not to be taken lightly.
It hurt a lot watching SCO and US… I think Eve thought the US should play dead, as she wasn’t worried about an end until her shots… then when she had to make ones with a hi degree of difficulty, she didn’t and got behind big time. Funny how easy the game got for the US once they got up.
GER had a chance at the end, as they came back on the Swiss… but when you play with zero offensive strategy… you leave the final outcome down to one rock and often that isn’t good, as when the opp makes her final shot, you lose… again and again. Mirjam is a very wily skip and keeps her team in it with excellent strategy and she is very comfortable leaving the final outcome to her last rock… she made a very tricky shot to win.
Lots of rocks in play in the China/Russia game and although the percentages were very similar… the RUS skipper made a couple of good shots to have the edge. Bingyu had a pretty puzzled look on her face most of the time… and not sure she has the ice figured out yet.
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Has anyone noticed how insanely high the %'s for all teams/players have been for the first 8 draws?
Doesn't add up at all.
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Has anyone noticed how insanely high the %'s for all teams/players have been for the first 8 draws?
Doesn't add up at all.
I have been able to watch some of those games. Normally i would say the numbers are inflated and for some games they are. However in some cases they are accurate and some teams are that good.
In general I think for teams like Switzerland,Korea, Denmark and Canada the numbers have generally been acurate.
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