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The last chance Olympic Qualification Event has begun today (Dec. 5, 2021j with the mixed doubles, but watching it on TV is going to be difficult as NBC and other networks are dumping the coverage. NBC said it was a problem with a sponsorship at the event.

And I can see what that problem probably is, because embedded in the ice near the hog lines is a web link to a manufacturer of erotic toys. As they would have to melt and refreeze the ice to remove or obscure this, which would take a lot of time, I think we may be stuck like this.

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Actually, watching it now on the.recast.app , I see that sponsor isn’t just near the hog lines, they’re -everywhere-. Scoreboard, free guard zone, sideboards.

There’s also some Christmas-y sponsor, so it’s like a weird collision between Christmas and Valentine’s Day.

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Well, it is disappointing for folk who rely on video. There is still good engagement through line scores, forums, and twitter/IG are both really good for clips, links, interviews, and sometimes, text play by play. #hashtags work. Those of us without video, do keep up, and it is still exciting. There is lots at stake in the #lastChance. As always, thanks for all of your input here - and uhm, what were they thinking? or uh - are we prudes west of the Atlantic? Will we call this #dildogate? It is pretty funny and gigantic fodder for meme's and twitter trending. OMG. How did this HAPPEN! LOL. I wish I was a fly on the wall in the meeting rooms.

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Hilarious that I can drive down the 401 in Ontario and see ads for Pink Cherry all over the place but Americans and the Japanese apparently can't handle the same on their TVs?

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So, I'm following the Last Chance Olympic qualifier for the Mixed Doubles. I see that Australia (resident/training in AB and coached by John Morris) is playoff bound, but have read that two others have also qualified for playoffs. Does anyone know who else, and how this playdown for two spots in the Olympics will finish up?

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I don't actually know the format, but schedule suggests something:

https://worldcurling.org/2021/12/oqe2021-broadcast/

It looks like there will be two finals (because there are 2 spots for the Olympics). A1 & B1 get byes to finals. Semifinals are A2vB3 and A3vB2, i.e. A2 and B2 cross over to challenge B3 and A3, winners challenge B1 and A1.

Crossover means no A1vA2 rematch at the final. A1vA3 is possible, but perhaps more likely is A1vB2.

Current standings: https://worldcurling.org/events/oqe...eType=standings

Already qualified are 4W-0L AUS from A and 5W-0L KOR and USA from B. Two more from A and one more from B will qualify.

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K. The article about USA and Korea on the WCF site skirted around the making playoffs question. I thought it must be them. Thanks CClips. So six in the mix.

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The WCF website certainly doesn’t lay this out in an easy to understand fashion, but here is how I think it works.

They have two pools, A and B, each with 7 teams. During round robin, you only play within your pool. The top 3 teams in each pool get into the playoffs on Thursday.

Right now (Tues. night), Australia is the only team in Pool A that has qualified for the playoffs with a 4-0 record. Hungary is 3-1, Denmark and Germany are 3-2, and Russia is 2-2. Spain and Turkey have been eliminated.

In pool B, Korea and the United States both have 5-0 records and have qualified. Finland at 3-2 and Japan at 2-3 are fighting for that third spot. Latvia, Estonia, and New Zealand have been eliminated.

Playoffs are on Thursday. The top A team and the top B team get the morning off, while A2 plays B3 and B2 plays A3. Losers are done, winners advance.

In the afternoon, A1 plays the winner of B2/A3. The winner is in the Olympics and the loser is out.

In the evening, B1 plays the winner of A2/B3. Again, the winner goes to the Olympics and the loser is out.

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The quality of WCF media is so low. Their articles are terrible, confusing, use wrong terms, etc. The website is so awful. It's gotta be hurting the sport to have a world body this weak.

Substantively the US is looking very good. Japan a massive disappointment so far.

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Do you have examples of these? I don't doubt that mistakes happen, but I'm just wondering if you have something more damning.

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Do you have examples of these? I don't doubt that mistakes happen, but I'm just wondering if you have something more damning.

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Tomorrow's USA vs KOR game decides who gets the bye to the final, and who crosses over to the other group to eventually challenge their best.

I think USA is favored to win this. USA has been quite consistent. On the other hand, KOR was down 5-0 vs EST and had to steal the extra end, and also dropped a 4-ender vs LAT in a non-powerplay. They won both of those games, but hopefully USA paid attention and figured out KOR's weaknesses that they can exploit.

I'm not sure what to make of Kim Minji. I haven't watched much of her games. She's probably a better shooter than she is a skip.

I blame it on her women's team coach, based on some of his advice in the few grand slam games they've been on. Mike Harris openly criticized the coach's advice several times.

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Just to be clear about my WCF comments: NOT talking about the broadcasts. Very strong group there. Harris aside; he's just too negative (though a lot better than 15 years ago! and I enjoy his interviews a lot).

I think Kim has the goods but she's 22. If Korea's program can develop women like her then it'll have a great future. But obviously their history is concerning. Her skipping looks like the average 22 year old junior champ in Canada.

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Well, I just watched the extra end of KOR vs EST (bonus curling after NZL vs JPN game), and apparently Wade Scoffin coaches the KOR mixed double team. They can probably do better, but at least they got a veteran Canadian as a coach.

And yes, they communicate in English.

https://www.yukon-news.com/sports/y...eam-head-coach/

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I sure would like to see the USA KOR game in video. Winner goes gets the bye to the qualifying game... but then, that didn't do Team Fleury much good in the Cdn Women's Oly Trials. Is it a blessing or a curse to get the bye?

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I sure would like to see the USA KOR game in video. Winner goes gets the bye to the qualifying game... but then, that didn't do Team Fleury much good in the Cdn Women's Oly Trials. Is it a blessing or a curse to get the bye?

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I sure would like to see the USA KOR game in video. Winner goes gets the bye to the qualifying game... but then, that didn't do Team Fleury much good in the Cdn Women's Oly Trials. Is it a blessing or a curse to get the bye?

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I'd be curious of the stats on this. In the past year in Canada the bye winners at the Brier, Scotties and women's Trials all lost the final. Meanwhile the bye winner has never lost in the history of the men's Trials (women are now 50/50).

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Aku Kauste duo wants to be in the six mix for sure. Here is a curler who has seem the world stage (not sure about Olys). Only two slots though. It won't be easy. Thanks for the Recast tip - it was great on my free view. We'll see.

So, Germany needs both Hungary and Russia to lose (if there are even tie breakers). If one of them loses, the other gets to play on. If they both win - shrugs. LSFD or Tiebreaker. Gametime 19:00 Nederlands today.

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The way it looks to me...
Denmark plays Hungary so the winner of that game qualifies with 2 losses. If Russia wins they qualify the same way. If Russia loses then I do not know the tie-breaker but if it is Draw Shot Challenge (there does not seem to be time for tie-breaker games) then currently Russia leads, Germany second and Denmark and Hungary a fair way back. So it seems that Russia can qualify by having a good DSC even if they lose their game.

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Yes, RUS looks good. Barring a catastrophe, RUS should win against 0W-5L TUR, and even if they lose that game, they will qualify either due to head-to-head result (if tied with GER and HUN, both of whom RUS had already beaten) or better DSC (if tied with GER and DEN, which is rock-paper-scissors), assuming RUS doesn't botch their final LSD.

You don't have to wait for the RUS vs TUR game to finish to know if RUS is in. Once RUS completes their LSD for their last game, their DSC is finalized, and you know immediately whether RUS is guaranteed a spot or not.

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I do not know the tie-breaker but if it is Draw Shot Challenge

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According to curlit Germany beats Russia by .42 of a cm on overall LSD.

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