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I wouldn't worry too much about Eve's team. They did win the Europeans after all. Bad week at a bad time. They'll be back and contending soon enough.

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great way for the Germans to end the week. They actually will finish 7th place now by virtue of their round robin victory over Denmark. Thats probably alot better than anyone thought they'd do and they get a respectable amount of points for the olympics.

Mirjam gets Switzerland to that 1 v.s 2 game. Question is now what will she do with it? she has never finished this high in the round robin before. Can she actually make a final?

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Mirjam is in a positions now to win Switzerland's first world championship since Erika Muller did 30 years ago.

but can she finally figure out a way to get past Sigfridsson? she's 0-4 against her

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Weery Miss Miri might have been better off coming thru the back end of the page rather than facing her main tormentor in the 1-2 and then probably having to play USA or Korea in the semi-final. At least she gave her team two chances to get into the gold medal game.

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Have they played the tie-breaker yet? If so I must have missed something!

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Weery Miss Miri might have been better off coming thru the back end of the page rather than facing her main tormentor in the 1-2 and then probably having to play USA or Korea in the semi-final. At least she gave her team two chances to get into the gold medal game.

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Doesn't China's pathetic showing at this year's world put their olympic qualification in serious jeopardy?

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As to the rest of the team....none have shown any luster.. I could never figure how they got through the Scotties....
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Sometimes the team needs to let the skip focus and make their own shots without putting in their own 2 cents! Yes, the vice & skip need to talk but even Iskiw has to learn to zip it once in a while. Front ends, unless asked should really get the rocks ready, sweep and only add their opinion if asked. JMHO

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The qualification is based on the 2011, 2012 and 2013 World Championship results. China finished 3rd in 2011. They would need to have another really bad showing next year to not qualify.

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Wow, I didn't know they changed to a 2-year qualification process. Kind of silly IMO -- one bad week can torpedo your chances.

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I don't usually use Wikipedia for my information but this seems accurate:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Curling_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics#Qualification[
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The catch is the "Nations may also qualify teams through an Olympic qualification event to be held in the fall of 2013."

This event is going to be a good one to be at. A bunch of teams that didn't fare well at the last two Worlds fighting for two spots in each gender!

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so if I understand this: The top 7 nations after the 2013 worlds will gain automatic entry into the olympics and russia is in for the women automatically.

so so far we know that the points for the teams are like this:


Great britain - 7
Germany - 6
Denmark - 5
Russia - 4
Italy - 3
China - 2
Czech Republic - 1

Of course we still don't know how the top 5 of Canada, United States, Sweden, Switzerland and Korea will sort out their point distribution.

China is really going to have to have a great performance next year. As it stands right now if the olympics were next year Germany would be the last nation in directly and everyone below them would need to play this qualification event...except Russia who are in automatically

I think this new process is pretty stupid. I don't object to the two year process of qualifying but i do object to the qualification tournament.

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The wikipedia articles regarding Olympic qualification for any sport are generally a very reliable (and easy to navigate) source of information.

If China does not qualify outright based on points they will at least make it to the Olympic qualification tournament since they competed in at least one Worlds during the Sochi Olympic cycle. The Pacific team that is truly in jeopardy are the Japanese women. They must win their semifinal next year in order to make it to the Worlds, and therefore have a shot at the Olympics.

Also, this is why anyone screaming hysterically that the United States might not qualify for the Olympics is, quite frankly, getting carried away. They will have two years to earn points for Olympic qualification and they'll still have the final tournament.

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Really the new process of qualifying hurts any team that has a bad year. Before with a 3 year process if one country had a bad year they could always write that off because there are still two years left to qualify.

Ex: last year the swedish men were very close to missing the cut off for the olympics , having been absent one year and having a bottom of the table finish the year before. It was peja's 5th place finish in 2007 that really got sweden its spot. If there had been a two year process in action then Sweden would not have fielded a team at the 2010 olympics.

This is the same. With it being down to a two year process if china doesn't finish top 4 next year they wont qualify directly. same with Denmark

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With this new process Japan will have to hope for a miracle to qualify.

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Sometimes the team needs to let the skip focus and make their own shots without putting in their own 2 cents! Yes, the vice & skip need to talk but even Iskiw has to learn to zip it once in a while. Front ends, unless asked should really get the rocks ready, sweep and only add their opinion if asked. JMHO

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Hey CB, funny how different team dynamics work. Glenn Howards team all have input and it works like genius. Yet on Heathers team it seems to just confuse the issue (Russ and Linda commented on it). That being said, the real problem that put them in this spot was the absolute stinker they threw up against a thourghly underwhelming Italian team. I had put the game against Scotland in the maybe catagory. Not surprised they lost. That was a good old fashioned whuppin', that could've been worse. Now to face an on fire, confident American team, that I thought they were somewhat lucky to beat the first time. It goes without saying, (but I will anyways..you know..sports cliches ) that they need to right the ship, and bring their best game to the arena this afternoon.
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Hey CB, funny how different team dynamics works. Glenn Howards team all have input and it works like genius. Yet on Heathers team it seems to just confuse the issue (Russ and Linda commented on it). That being said, the real problem that put them in this spot was the absolute stinker they threw up against a thourghly underwheming Italian team. I had put the game against Scotland in the maybe catagory. Not surprised they lost. That was a good old fashioned whuppin', that could've been worse. Now to face an on fire, confident American team, that I thought they were somewhat lucky to beat the first time. It goes without saying, (but I will anyways..you know..sports cliches ) that they need to right the ship, and bring their best game to the arena this afternoon.

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The problem is the middle two players are not particularily strong in the strategy department. That's why they need to zip it sometimes. Heather has the knowledge but overthinks some situations; given the right input she is fine.

Heather was clearly annoyed early in the game. She had a right to be. Jessica has been throwing like crap for several games. You don't want those players questioning your calls when they aren't throwing properly. Even as an observer, when someone called out "I kind of like another corner guard" when they were down 5 with 2-3 rocks already in place that you could hide around, I thought it was ridiculous. Heather made the correct call but was fed up with the nonesense and just switched the call.

I think how they lost may be a good wake up call on these matters. I'm still picking them to beat the US but if Jessica doesn't put in better games they'll lose to Korea. The US has had a nice run, but I don't think they can beat an aggressive team making shots. Will Canada execute ? I know Korea will.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the winner of the 3-4 game to get to the final and have a good chance to win the title. Would be a nice story for either Canada/Korea/US.

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Yeah, they lose the morning game... a game that you probably had in your win colume, and now they have to run the table. I know they did it in the Scotties, but can you expect to get really lucky twice???

Right, they were lucky to beat the US in roundrobin... both Jessica and Heather outshot the US but I don't expect Heather to outshoot Allison again... This time the game will hinge on the numbers at 2nd and which one sets up the backend... if Jessica can't clearly outshoot Natalie, I don't think Beth can pick up the slack and leave Heather in a good place.

Listening to Heather talk to reporters after last nights game... she sounded like she was trying to talk herself into being filled with confidence, but her tone of voice sounded more hopeful than realistic.

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The United states has a very German style of play. By that I mean that they , like Germany like to keep things a little more simple and go for their chances when they get them. They will put rocks in play if they have too.
The only difference is that there is more shot making ability on the US team so they have a better chance of getting out of trouble and Allison is a better last rock thrower then Imoghen.They also have a more definite plan then the Germans.

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You have to wonder if the US would have beaten Sweden if Sweden had executed their normal game plan instead of playing so defensively. The same can be said for Denmark. If the danish team had executed better where would the US BE?

The game against Germany is telling for me. The Germans went outside of their comfort zone and left rocks in play and they were rewarded. Now if a team that is more comfortable with leaving rocks in play like Sweden or Canada executes their shots will the US be able to keep up? They nearly lost the game against Germany, a team that, again strays from making things complicated unless they have to.

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The problem is the middle two players are not particularily strong in the strategy department. That's why they need to zip it sometimes. Heather has the knowledge but overthinks some situations; given the right input she is fine.

Heather was clearly annoyed early in the game. She had a right to be. Jessica has been throwing like crap for several games. You don't want those players questioning your calls when they aren't throwing properly. Even as an observer, when someone called out "I kind of like another corner guard" when they were down 5 with 2-3 rocks already in place that you could hide around, I thought it was ridiculous. Heather made the correct call but was fed up with the nonesense and just switched the call.

I think how they lost may be a good wake up call on these matters. I'm still picking them to beat the US but if Jessica doesn't put in better games they'll lose to Korea. The US has had a nice run, but I don't think they can beat an aggressive team making shots. Will Canada execute ? I know Korea will.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the winner of the 3-4 game to get to the final and have a good chance to win the title. Would be a nice story for either Canada/Korea/US.

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Agreed, good analysis, I had thought much the same. Espcially when Jessica called down the ice. Hope you're right about the games outcome.

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